Some say religion is the source of the major problems of the world.  However, I find that view too simple, but rest assured, many new atheists like Sam Harris stress that in their books.

Well, religion is a justification for horrendous evil, but it's not the cause (opinion).

Most of the most destructive wars weren’t caused by religion. So you can’t blame religion on that if there wasn’t even a religious cause behind them.

Most wars that have a religious zeal behind it tend to use religion to garner support from the average citizens, because you can’t motivate people to fight for you if you don’t give them a cause to fight for.

I think the atheists that use a statement like that tend to cherry pick things to give themselves a moral high ground to stand on.

(11-02-2023, 03:36 AM)Grungie Wrote: Most of the most destructive wars weren’t caused by religion. So you can’t blame religion on that if there wasn’t even a religious cause behind them.

Most wars that have a religious zeal behind it tend to use religion to garner support from the average citizens, because you can’t motivate people to fight for you if you don’t give them a cause to fight for.

I think the atheists that use a statement like that tend to cherry pick things to give themselves a moral high ground to stand on.

I can't argue with you there. I came to the same conclusion.  Why can't some of them see that?

(11-11-2023, 04:29 AM)Jason Wrote: I can't argue with you there. I came to the same conclusion.  Why can't some of them see that?

I feel a lot of the folks who are vocal about that usually grew up in a very religious family and/or community. So them becoming atheist is their act of rebellion, and end up having a huge chip on their shoulder towards religion. Some people outgrow that phase, and others never do.

Usually the people who didn’t grow up in a strict religious environment are pretty nonchalant towards religion.

(11-11-2023, 02:09 PM)Grungie Wrote:

(11-11-2023, 04:29 AM)Jason Wrote: I can't argue with you there. I came to the same conclusion.  Why can't some of them see that?

I feel a lot of the folks who are vocal about that usually grew up in a very religious family and/or community. So them becoming atheist is their act of rebellion, and end up having a huge chip on their shoulder towards religion. Some people outgrow that phase, and others never do.

Usually the people who didn’t grow up in a strict religious environment are pretty nonchalant towards religion.

That's true, but how do you know some of the "chip" is something that people had coming?  For instance, a lot of molestation in the Catholic church, and honestly, other ones also.  Well, myself, I've heard at least one freakish story, even from smaller churches in my area.

(11-21-2023, 04:14 PM)Jason Wrote: That's true, but how do you know some of the "chip" is something that people had coming?  For instance, a lot of molestation in the Catholic church, and honestly, other ones also.  Well, myself, I've heard at least one freakish story, even from smaller churches in my area.

In my experience, it’s based on what they bring up when they complain about religion. The ones with a chip on their shoulder usually constantly complain about growing up in a religious community and how their parents made them go to church. It always comes off more childish complaining as opposed to the ones with a more serious complaint.

(11-22-2023, 10:49 AM)Grungie Wrote:

(11-21-2023, 04:14 PM)Jason Wrote: That's true, but how do you know some of the "chip" is something that people had coming?  For instance, a lot of molestation in the Catholic church, and honestly, other ones also.  Well, myself, I've heard at least one freakish story, even from smaller churches in my area.

In my experience, it’s based on what they bring up when they complain about religion. The ones with a chip on their shoulder usually constantly complain about growing up in a religious community and how their parents made them go to church. It always comes off more childish complaining as opposed to the ones with a more serious complaint.

Possibly they were the type that bosses around teenagers like they were 5-years old.  Anyone know the type?

(12-19-2023, 05:58 PM)Jason Wrote: Possibly they were the type that bosses around teenagers like they were 5-years old.

Nah, they’re more like that one annoying person who keeps bringing up that one shitty thing that happened to them over and over and over.

(12-20-2023, 01:06 AM)Grungie Wrote:

(12-19-2023, 05:58 PM)Jason Wrote: Possibly they were the type that bosses around teenagers like they were 5-years old.

Nah, they’re more like that one annoying person who keeps bringing up that one shitty thing that happened to them over and over and over.

Yeah, I hate passive aggression.

(12-22-2023, 03:21 AM)Jason Wrote: Yeah, I hate passive aggression.

I wouldn’t call that passive aggressive. They’re not dancing around the fact they hate how their parents made them go to church every Sunday.