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Just a few minor notes, Joel:

Messianic Jews certainly don't see the Old Testament as superseded. In fact, Biblically, that notion isn't supported. When the Torah (1st 4 books of the Bible) speak, for instance, of keeping the Festivals (http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Holiday...ction.html [note that, Hannukah isn't commanded in the Bible but is kept by most, if not all, Jews http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannukah ]), the Bible specifically mentions that they're to be kept forever. Jesus Himself said, "I have not come to do away with the Law or the Prophets, but to fulfill them".

Christians generally tend not to keep the Law because of: Constantine I (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine...ous_policy), whose mother separated the Jewish practices from the Christian practices. (Before that time, if you were a Christian, you were a Jew; Christianity was considered a sect of Judaism, much as the Pharisees or Essenes were. [Modern day "sects" of Judaim might be Orthodox Jews or Reformed Jews.]) Many Christians also interpret Paul's writings on the Law to indicate that Paul felt we shouldn't keep the Law; on the contrary, Paul himself kept the law and taught new non-Jewish converts to do so. Paul's main argument over the Law was that he was trying to convince people that they couldn't get to heaven without believing in Jesus and that the Law didn't cleanse one of sin. (The whole point of Jesus on the cross was to forgive sin, after all.) Note, btw, that Paul was a Pharisee. Pharisees took an oath that, if they broke the Law or stopped keeping it, they consented to be stoned by their fellow Pharisees. History suggests that Paul was never stoned, but rather was killed in Rome by the Emperor (who wasn't in favor of this new sect of Judaism).
Oh I know, from a Messianic Jew standpoint, it certainly isn't. But many if not most Christian denominations see it that way. Hence, "most popularly seen".

Interesting edit, though, I didn't know that.
(08-26-2013, 03:45 AM)JoelCarli Wrote: [ -> ]Oh I know, from a Messianic Jew standpoint, it certainly isn't. But many if not most Christian denominations see it that way. Hence, "most popularly seen".
Well, true. I just think it's interesting that a lot of Christian theology seems oddly at odds with the Bible. The majority of Christianity ignores the Old Testament as much as they can, and seems to pick and choose when it comes to the New Testament. At least, that's how I see it.

Quote:Interesting edit, though, I didn't know that.
I was trying to find a source for Constantine's mother and gave up after most of the links were to Catholic or Eastern Orthodox sites talking about "St. Helena". Apparently, she ended up canonized. Confusedhrug:

I'm sure, if I found a history site or two, I could link you to it, but I don't have an hour or two here, 'cause I'm going to bed.
It's cool.

Yeah, I agree that a lot of people cherry-pick the Bible for what they like and what justifies their actions. That's why you have radicals, inquisitions and such. But at the same time, it's not exactly easy to practice everything written in the Bible. I'm assuming that's the reason we have the commandments and cardinal sins and what have you. They're more general.
(08-26-2013, 04:08 PM)JoelCarli Wrote: [ -> ]It's cool.

Yeah, I agree that a lot of people cherry-pick the Bible for what they like and what justifies their actions. That's why you have radicals, inquisitions and such. But at the same time, it's not exactly easy to practice everything written in the Bible. I'm assuming that's the reason we have the commandments and cardinal sins and what have you. They're more general.
Of it's not easy; the idea is that it's supposed to be a life-long thing. That you keep learning and keep practicing all your life. I know that's not easy. But it never was supposed to be easy.

To give an example from another religion, Buddhism isn't easy. The Eight-Fold Path is very taxing, and most Buddhists probably never even get that far. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_Eightfold_Path
Of course. It's the reason why the Bible also states that you shouldn't judge other people, even for not being Christian; Judge not, for you shall be judged. A "bad" person can always become good.

Now that's a different debate.
(08-26-2013, 07:01 PM)JoelCarli Wrote: [ -> ]Of course. It's the reason why the Bible also states that you shouldn't judge other people, even for not being Christian; Judge not, for you shall be judged. A "bad" person can always become good.

Now that's a different debate.
True. All true.
That dilemma between showering out of not having yet showered today, or not showering because you don't feel exceptionally filthy like most other days.

It's a dilemma, which is found in philosophy. It counts.

But seriously, what is up with free speech, eh? Ahahaha.
Holy fuck is Peter Singer an idiot.
So, there's pretty heavy Catholic theological implications in this news article. Apparently, the question of whether Catholicism should continue celibacy is being examined.