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I want all your opinions on this. Am I being too politically correct/has my white knightiness gone to Due levels or do you agree with me, at least to an extent? I realized today that I am against aesthetic surgery. I don't think we should make it illegal, oddly enough. But nonetheless I am against it. I've only thought about it a lot today, so my opinion is still embryonic and subject to change.

As a matter of principle, I am against surgery that is aesthetic, i.e. nose jobs, breast implants, facelifts, etc. because it shows that 1) the person who has them is a fake, not showing who she (usually it's a she) actually is, 2) has low self-esteem and instead of fixing the problem directly (psychology, counseling, etc.), merely covers it through hedonistic means that will disappear with time or even only get worse, 3) it's (in my opinion at least) disgusting/unattractive, sometimes physically speaking, but mostly when it comes to the principle, like how a smoker is in my opinion unattractive because he/she does something unnecessary that is also very unhealthy, 4) the person is most likely superficial and cares about asinine stupidities such as looks to such a degree (some concern about looks is fine and sometimes encouraged, but not to the point of permanent bodily change. For example, someone who doesn't at all care for his/her looks can have a negative first impression at a job interview or when meeting someone new).

Previous parenthesis in mind, I am more fine, however, with tattoos, shaving, cutting hair, dyeing hair, makeup and piercings, as the changes are minute and reversible/temporary, and you aren't "improving" the temple that is your body, but using it as a canvas. You're not fixing what isn't broken. I'm only a fraction of a rabbi, if you will.

I am for medical surgery, of course. So breast reduction, for example, to help alleviate back aches, is fine and probably a good thing. If somehow, your face droops so much that you trip onto it and hurt yourself, then facelift is fine and a good measure to take. I might even consider a sex-change operation for transsexuals to be a medical operation (although I'm still debating about it with myself).

Otherwise, I believe it's a bad way to spend your money and is, again, as a matter of principle, disgusting. There are some places where 15 year old children (including someone I know who wants one) can choose to get a nose job, and I find it scandalous. The surgeon who takes advantage of people at an age where self-esteem problems are at their peak, especially for money, is an absolute charlatan, and the children are, in my book, abused, since most 15-year olds (of course there are exceptions, some of which I have seen on UG and here on MTB) have barely any sense of responsibility, don't know what they truly want, and often lack analytical skills. It's scandalous that such a permission is legal in certain places. The exception to me would be if a person was in a fiery car accident and had lost all their hair, or something of the likes (although I'd have a lot of admiration for those who accept what they now look like and, say, go on and become motivational speakers or something).

People need to stop worrying so much about looks and other superficial things.

Does anybody else feel the same way?
If it's purely for aesthetic reasons, as you said, I see an issue with it.
I pretty much agree with both of you. I think those with self esteem issues should learn how to be happy with themselves and what they have, but that's easier said than done.
(08-21-2013, 12:19 AM)Grungie Wrote: [ -> ]I pretty much agree with both of you. I think those with self esteem issues should learn how to be happy with themselves and what they have, but that's easier said than done.
Oh of course. But with all the beauty/celebrity magazines and Hollywood and stuff (aka "poison") that sort of define what "beauty" is for society as a whole, it's not making things any easier.
Too bad people can't be walking sex gods like the both of us.
If a person has a really fucked up looking nose why shouldn't they be able to change it?
I don't have a problem with it. The only thing that kinda bothers me is that it's similar to genetically engineering your kid to have a perfect face. It's unnaturally getting you a step ahead with money that most people don't have a chance at. But life isn't fair anyways.

It's unfortunate they think they need it, but some people (myself included to an extent) are pretty unhappy with themselves physically with the things they can't change. If they're given an opportunity to change it, which can ultimately make many things far better in their life, why not? Apart from the risk of it going wrong, which probably isn't very likely for non-extreme stuff.

Idk honestly I don't see what there is to be bothered about. It's just someone trying to be happier and I don't see how it can negatively affect anyone else. It'd be unfortunate if there came a time where it's the norm except for the poor or something but I don't see that happening in reality or any time soon.
(08-21-2013, 12:33 AM)Grungie Wrote: [ -> ]Too bad people can't be walking sex gods like the both of us.
Totes brah

(08-21-2013, 12:54 AM)BobSacamano Wrote: [ -> ]I don't have a problem with it. The only thing that kinda bothers me is that it's similar to genetically engineering your kid to have a perfect face. It's unnaturally getting you a step ahead with money that most people don't have a chance at. But life isn't fair anyways.

It's unfortunate they think they need it, but some people (myself included to an extent) are pretty unhappy with themselves physically with the things they can't change. If they're given an opportunity to change it, which can ultimately make many things far better in their life, why not? Apart from the risk of it going wrong, which probably isn't very likely for non-extreme stuff.

Idk honestly I don't see what there is to be bothered about. It's just someone trying to be happier and I don't see how it can negatively affect anyone else. It'd be unfortunate if there came a time where it's the norm except for the poor or something but I don't see that happening in reality or any time soon.
Problem being that it doesn't make you happier. You'll always find some tiny kink in your face you dislike. Instead people need psychological help to ease their self-esteem issues.

(08-21-2013, 12:49 AM)WCPhils Wrote: [ -> ]If a person has a really fucked up looking nose why shouldn't they be able to change it?
I said we shouldn't make it illegal. Like I said, it's more of a principle thing. I just think it's far more attractive of a person to accept who they are. You're not being yourself. You're hiding yourself with a proverbial mask you spent 1000$ for.
Ehh, I don't think it's hiding who they are. It's just changing a part of their face they're unhappy with. Which isn't really who they are at all.

If you're worried about that then why not go after drugs that might help fight off bipolarity for example. The Bipolar Disorder is part of who they really are, but it probably has a negative effect on everyone. Why not just get rid of it?
I must say, that is a good point. Although bipolar disorder is exactly that. A disorder. It actually is a problem, and it affects everyone. Looks aren't a disorder or an actual problem for the most part. Honestly, practically all the people I've seen, on TV or off who has had aesthetic surgery looked flawless before, and sometimes better. But I agree, you make a good point.