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So hey guys if my dad is a meth addict who accuses my mom of being manipulative and stuff is it wrong to not believe him just because he is a meth addict? He tells me it's messed up and wrong for people to put meth addicts "in a basket" and how it's wrong to not believe somebody just because they are on meth. I tell him that after 15 years of doing meth that its effect on the brain has to do something that makes the individual believe things that aren't true. He tells me that scientific stuff is bs because that's not what he's seen in his experience and it's putting meth addicts in a basket.

It is so confusing.
wut??
(05-19-2013, 06:35 AM)WCPhils Wrote: [ -> ]wut??
Did you miss brad's post in the UG Chat thread?

@brad:
Your dad is becoming very paranoid, it seems. Have you tried legal options, such as getting a court to put him in a treatment center?

Btw, I don't mean to sound callous. It's just...well, he really sounds like he needs help. And he doesn't seem willing to get that help on his own. Legally though, I believe that you can have a court determine that he is not in a proper mental state (because someone on meth isn't) and have him put in a treatment center. Treatment seems to be the logical 1st step in, well...getting your dad better.
Wait, this is for serious?

Holy shit, that's terrible. I don't even no where to begin with that....
(05-19-2013, 06:55 AM)crazysam23 Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-19-2013, 06:35 AM)WCPhils Wrote: [ -> ]wut??
Did you miss brad's post in the UG Chat thread?

@brad:
Your dad is becoming very paranoid, it seems. Have you tried legal options, such as getting a court to put him in a treatment center?

Btw, I don't mean to sound callous. It's just...well, he really sounds like he needs help. And he doesn't seem willing to get that help on his own. Legally though, I believe that you can have a court determine that he is not in a proper mental state (because someone on meth isn't) and have him put in a treatment center. Treatment seems to be the logical 1st step in, well...getting your dad better.
Yeah, I dunno. He said earlier tonight when I came home from work and got tangled up in a shouting match that my mom sent him an email saying she signed him up for a 90 day treatment center or something and he got pissed off and said that she's doing it to give him a bad name and to phase him out and stuff.

And we all told him that we were willing to support him through treatment but he just said stuff like "oh yeah NOW you want to give me support hell naw etc etc."

But the way my dad says the stuff he says about my mom being manipulative is genuine like he really believes it with all of his heart and it hurts him to believe it. Like, he'll give examples of my mom being manipulative and, other than the whole part where I have never known my mom to act like that in my life, they seem like totally cruel things to do, but I have a hard time believing him and it makes me have a hard time believing her too.

I just dunno what to do. And now my mom says she might go to her family in Nebraska for the summer at least so basically my living situation is up in the air and therefore the next few months of my life will be hella stressful. This has been the worst 12 months of life ever though so oh well I guess.

(05-19-2013, 07:02 AM)WCPhils Wrote: [ -> ]Wait, this is for serious?

Holy shit, that's terrible. I don't even no where to begin with that....

Yeah, here are previous posts that I think you didn't have internet access for:

"Hey guys I don't know what to do about the fact that my dad is addicted to meth but claims it's not a big deal and then continues to believe that everybody in the family is conspiring against him and thinking that my mom is cheating on him or at least intentionally leading him to believe that she is which he says makes him take her phone away and turn off the engine in her car and when I tell him he's acting dumb he says that i'm justifying her actions which he thinks are a complete plot to make him look bad all the time all while saying that he checked himself into a suicide detox center a couple months ago because he held a shotgun in his mouth but stopped because he didn't want to leave his kids like that. "

"When he was there the first few days he said they were listening to him and being nice and constructive and stuff but whenever they found out he was a meth head they treated him differently as a result and as such he thinks everybody is against him solely because he does meth. He thinks it's criminal that I won't trust him in his accusations because he does meth. He's doing the typical "i'm a different kind of meth user!" thing claiming that he doesn't change.

It is super frustrating attempting to reason with him. And hes' been doing it for years apparently. And the cops came over last night due to intense yelling (of which i was a part of) and he accused one of them of being the dude my mom is cheating with.

I asked my mom straight up about all of these accusations and she's been very open and from my perspective truthful."

"I guess the other morning while my mom and sister were getting ready for work/school they found my dad in the garage crawled up into a ball crying saying that he wished he were dead. When my mom finally dragged him to the bed where she took off his shoes and tucked him in and all of that he woke up and the first thing he said was "where's Jesse?" which is his brother who died in a car crash in a time where my dad and him weren't necessarily talking and my dad still feels guilt for it. And my dad told me that he thinks the angel of him picked him up and took him to the bed. Except he was barely conscious for the whole time while he was in the garage.

And he still thinks that the main problem is that my mom is a liar who won't apologize for being a liar (she is not a liar btw) and ignores him (she made him a big lunch the other day that he rejected) and it is not that he has been using meth for 15 years. He denies the possibility that the drug notorious for destroying families just might be affecting his mind and turning him into an obsessive, paranoid person.

Last night he was mad because he went through my mom's old yahoo email from 10 years ago and found a bunch of spam that he didn't know was a thing. Like, on the side of the page you know those ads that say stuff like "Search for singles in [your area]"? He freaked out about that. My mom even let him go through her facebook account/messages/etc, even though he has done so multiple times without her permission while also changing her password, and he claims that my mom deleted half of her messages that he thinks exist."
Dude, I don't even know

Seriously, that is just horrible. The only thing I can relate to is that my aunt is obviously an alcoholic and won't here about it when anyone tries to help. She's so stubborn so I can't even imagine your situation.

Sorry....
Thanks. I really just want to know if I should feel bad about not believing him on the basis that he is on meth. After I brought my dad down to my room tonight to just talk with him and try and get him to read these scientific studies on what meth does just to see if he could see where i'm coming from, he instead went on about my mom calling her bipolar because she is on anti-depressants which caused me to go upstairs after he left and call my mom a bitch because I am so confused on who to believe. Like, he sent my mom a text message telling her to come talk to him by midnight or he's leaving and she didn't so when my dad left he was crying and it was just so sad. But now I feel bad because logically my dad is probably super wrong but it's still so sad. I think i'm doing the right thing by siding in favor of the non-meth addict but he genuinely believes what he says so it's hard to acknowledge that he is probably being misled by the effects of the drug. He's not doing batshit intense things that other people do really though with hallucinating hardcore, but I feel like it's likely that the whole thinking your life is cheating on you and manipulating you and others and all that has to be in the category of paranoid stuff that happens to the brain as a result of meth use right? Even though it's not as extreme?

Tis an awful situation. I dunno how i'm gonna enjoy the final season of Breaking Bad either Sad
How long have you known this has been going on?

And yea, I would definitely side with your mom on the issue. Even if she hasn't been 100% truthful or whatever this situation is incredibly stressful for her so I doubt she is doing any of it (if she is even doing anything) maliciously. Plus, you're dad NEEDS help.

Also, you mentioned it but I think it needs repeating. Just because what he is saying might not be truthful doesn't mean that he doesn't believe it. Drugs fuck you up. The mess with your head. He doesn't want to see any studies on the effects of meth because he truly doesn't believe it's a problem.

It's just a shitty situation all around.

To go back to my aunt. She went to the hospital for routine surgery and ended up being in the hospital for a week (should have been out in a day) because she went through legit alcohol withdrawal. It was fucking scary. We knew she drank a lot but that was just shocking. She refuses to believe that she has a problem.

I am not trying to make this about myself before anyone responds. Just trying to say that I have at least a vague understanding of this situation and basically can just see how fucked up and sad it is.


Sorry that I'm basically no help and just repeated everything you said.
Yeah, thanks brah. Sorry about your aunt too.

This is why I don't do drugs.

On a separate note, If I apply for like a student loan or whatever would it also take care of living in student housing so I wouldn't have to start paying it until after I graduate? I feel like this is probably inevitable cuz even though Oklahoma sucks living in Nebraska would be even worse haha.
Woah, this thread's got heavy as of late.

But anyway, morning bitches.
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