(02-25-2013, 08:26 PM)debbie Wrote: [ -> ]I'm thinking...it's gonna take me awhile to come up with more requirements for a mod.
..with me being a blonde woman and all.
The difference between a blonde and a brunette is that, after jumping off a building, the latter always hits the ground
after the former because the former needs to stop and ask for directions.
I keeeeed
(02-25-2013, 08:21 PM)Mr Maps Wrote: [ -> ]Not only that, Darwin was a Christian until quite late in his life and first believed that God set evolution in motion, which is a common thought among modern Christians. On top of that, Darwin's theories were largely well-received by the church.
Absolutely true. Theistic evolution (also known as Old-Earth Creationism) is what I believe.
He was also never put on the index. Most people on the index were Christians themselves; Descartes, Pascal, John Calvin, Galileo, Copernicus, and so on. The only skeptic/atheist/empiricist name I remember reading was on the index is David Hume.
Ironically I'm terrible with directions. My dad always kid and say that I can get lost on an oval track.
And good ol' Mendel.
It always makes me laugh when ignorant atheists go on about 'Religion oppressing scientific development', when so many discoveries and developments were made by religious people.
(02-25-2013, 08:36 PM)Mr Maps Wrote: [ -> ]And good ol' Mendel.
It always makes me laugh when ignorant atheists go on about 'Religion oppressing scientific development', when so many discoveries and developments were made by religious people.
FUCKING YES. Jesus (no pun intended), they get on my nerves. A good 95% of scientists in Western history were religious, usually Catholic.
Don't forget that some of the biggest universities are Christian, namely Oxford and Harvard.
The thing is, science
did go against most theology at the time, and that merely iffed the church.
Unfortunately, the Catholic church DID do some pretty crappy stuff, like burning Giordano Bruno at the stake for teaching his theory that the universe is infinite (and he was wrong, too). But these were on very few occasions and the church itself recognizes what it's done and has apologized for it.
(02-25-2013, 08:39 PM)ln cognition Wrote: [ -> ]To be fair, the church hasn't had an entirely rose-tinted view on science throughout all of history.
Oh no, I quite agree. I'm not saying I condone the church's actions as such, but that religion isn't necessarily that oppressor that it's made out to be. It's history's rather checkered, as is many other religion's, and there are lots aspects of religion I dislike. But atheism has driven people to do bad things too. Hitler* used a very,
very distorted version of Darwin's theories to justify his beliefs.
Basically, not matter the belief, there are people who use it to be dicks.
*
And Godwin's Law comes into play
(02-25-2013, 08:45 PM)ln cognition Wrote: [ -> ]Dude, that's not the belief in atheism that made him do it, but social darwinism.
Can't refute that second point, though.
I realise, but it was mainly for example purposes, albeit not a great one. What I was trying to say is that anyone can take something and distort it to their own end. As I said, people are just dicks.
Hmmm, it looks like a whole bunch of shit heads got lost on their way to the Religion and Philosophy thread......
(02-25-2013, 08:44 PM)Mr Maps Wrote: [ -> ]Oh no, I quite agree. I'm not saying I condone the church's actions as such, but that religion isn't necessarily that oppressor that it's made out to be. It's history's rather checkered, as is many other religion's, and there are lots aspects of religion I dislike. But atheism has driven people to do bad things too. Hitler* used a very, very distorted version of Darwin's theories to justify his beliefs.
I agree with this post.
(02-25-2013, 08:44 PM)Mr Maps Wrote: [ -> ]Basically, not matter the belief, there are people who use it to be dicks.
The more I live, the more I'm convinced that the goodness of a person/morality PRECEDES belief. As such, there are bad Christians (Hitler), bad Muslims (Bin Laden) as well as bad atheists (Stalin). Likewise, there are good Christians (Mother Theresa), good Muslims (Malcolm X) as well as good atheists (Warren Buffet).
(02-25-2013, 08:44 PM)Mr Maps Wrote: [ -> ]*And Godwin's Law comes into play
Fuggin' LOL
(02-25-2013, 08:45 PM)ln cognition Wrote: [ -> ]Kind of developing from my previous post; I don't really believe you've expressed anything to disagree with me here, but credit should be given where it is due. Those catholic individuals did make these discoveries, but the church holds little acclaim to them - and did in fact take actions against some of them.
Truth, but there is some distortion when it comes to taught history. Giordano Bruno was burnt at the stake. Galileo, on the other hand, as opposed to popular belief, was
never threatened with execution, and mostly got in trouble with the church for making fun of the pope in a book he wrote, and not for heliocentrism (which, truth to be told,
was heretical at the time). Even then, his life ended comfortably under house arrest after persisting his heretical teachings when the church told him not to (though I don't condone this action imposed by the church).
But yes, most scientists were Christian through western history while the institution wasn't always warm to their findings.
(02-25-2013, 08:45 PM)ln cognition Wrote: [ -> ]Still, when it comes to Catholicism, this lies pretty much in the past. It's still a legit point to make, though.
Absolutely.
I just want you guys to know that in my physics lab we were just picking up electricity wirelessly. On accident. Thats supposed to be impossible. So the physics of electricity are pretty much out the window as far as I'm concerned.