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I feel racist for agreeing with you tenfold.
I went to school with a bunch of dumbasses who thought they were intelligent because they were liberals, like the kind even UG would be embarrassed to be around.

I kind of wished I went to a conservative school. All the check your privilege shit is bad reminding me of the shit I went through in high school where everyone was a closet racist trying so hard to be not racist and schooled people on racism, and ended up making themselves look more racist. I lived in an area where there was very little minorities, so the white washed aspect really bugged the shit out of me.

Hell our drama club was doing tryouts for The Crucible and they got the only minority who auditioned, who was Mexican, on the sole basis because she had an accent.
Personally I'd rather deal with openly racist people, as they make their ideas actually known. It's easier to see Bob and say "oh, Bob hates black people, let's avoid him" instead saying X person sucks and they chew you out because he just happens to be a minority and that's obviously the only reason you would hate that person. Especially since I'm a minority and I like knowing who to actually avoid, as I hate closet racist nonsense more than open racism. Nothing urks me more seeing people trying hard to not be racist, but give minorities special attention because they're minorities, why can't you just treat us normally instead of still treating us different? I want to be treated the same instead of being treated specially. Doesn't matter if it's good treatment if you're still treating us as outsiders.

Also I don't mind dealing with overly conservative people as I prefer being around people that are ignorant of things and tend to be more true to themselves as all the "liberals" tried really hard to act like they were really intelligent, only to make themselves look more like idiots, and kind of came off more as attention whores.

tl;dr most of the conservatives I deal with are more honest about being themselves, as I'd rather deal with someone who at least honestly believes what they're saying, instead of trying to pass themselves off as something else because they're just trying to rebel against their family or whatnot.
I see what you mean. To me, in many ways conservatives and a large portion of 'liberals' are the same. Whenever I have political and/or cultural conversations with a large number of 'liberals' I realise they are no different from the conservatives they are criticising.
That's what I always found ridiculous, just because you believe in the opposite as someone, it doesn't make you immune to the same problems as the people you're trying to oppose.

Just look at religious discussions, there's those atheists who hate on Christians for looking down on people who aren't Christian that they'll burn in hell for eternity for being heathens, but how is thinking that every religious person is an idiot who ignores everything about science.
(10-03-2013, 04:16 AM)Grungie Wrote: [ -> ]Nothing urks me more seeing people trying hard to not be racist, but give minorities special attention because they're minorities, why can't you just treat us normally instead of still treating us different? I want to be treated the same instead of being treated specially. Doesn't matter if it's good treatment if you're still treating us as outsiders.
I agree with you, but I think I notice this more with gays rather than ethnicities. I dunno, cultural differences mayhaps.

(10-03-2013, 04:23 AM)Grungie Wrote: [ -> ]Just look at religious discussions, there's those atheists who hate on Christians for looking down on people who aren't Christian that they'll burn in hell for eternity for being heathens, but how is thinking that every religious person is an idiot who ignores everything about science.
I don't think anything else in terms of intolerance pisses me off more than that.
(10-03-2013, 04:30 AM)JoelCarli Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with you, but I think I notice this more with gays. I dunno, cultural differences mayhaps.

I see that with gays as well, but mostly outside of college instead of inside. Maybe it's because there's a bunch of gay black guys at my college, so the students are used to seeing gays on a regular basis.

I tend to notice special treatment more with a type of people there's a lack of. So in Memphis, black people don't really get special treatment as they're actually a majority there. Asians on the other hand (mostly Asian girls, Asian guys they just assume you're a music/comp sci major and don't leave your room) have people kissing their ass, and yellow fever is disgusting for me.
I can tell; I've noticed that with your Yellow Fever thread. I dunno, there actually aren't that many non-white ethnicities here; last year I still went to a Montreal school as opposed to a Quebec school and there were ethnicities of all sorts. For example a relatively large portion of girls wore a cloth on their heads (don't remember what those are called) so you could tell they were Muslim. Here, I haven't spotted a single one, come to think of it. It feels odd.

Here, from what I've seen, we're a lot more white, although I have seen other ethnicities. Caucasian is the vast majority though. Thankfully, everybody here is rather open-minded and I don't think I've talked to anyone that seems to be even a closet racist.

About the gays, there is this one gay guy in music. He and an Asian pianist have the same first name, so people tend to refer to both as "Gay Sam" and "Asian Sam" respectively. They both laugh and joke at those aspects though, even though I've always kind of disliked people referring to others as "the (ethnicity) guy" or "the (sexuality) guy". But hey, good for them. My friend Francis is an endomorph and he's always joking about being chubby and having a belly (although he's incredibly healthy from what I've seen since we go to the gym together).

I wonder why the west tends to give a special treatment for minorities when other countries such as, from what I've heard, Japan, tend to ostracize them typical of 'real' racism. I know the answer is white guilt, but surely there must be some equivalent in other countries.

(10-03-2013, 04:29 AM)carlcockatoo Wrote: [ -> ]A bit off topic but I realise I've said some pretty stupid things and I've contradicted myself on multiple points. I am not being dishonest, I've just been going through a life-long identity crisis of sorts. I don't know what I want, who I fit in with, or even what I believe some times. I often have two opinions on the same topic which is ridiculous. I've been trying to correct myself to be as skilled and virtuous as I can possibly be before the real world sinks in. It hasn't been working out lol.
I know how you feel :\
Japan's a bit xenophobic, largely it has to do with it being mostly a racially homogeneous society, and history also plays a part.

Though if you go to Japan to live there for awhile, and you're not a tourist, you're expected to learn their customs. So if you've been there for about a year and you're not making progress, you're going to have a hard time.

Though I do know in the US, largely with Asians and Hispanics, that the ones who go out of their way to learn English and get "normal" jobs and such look down on the ones who don't bother to learn English. My mom says "I busted my ass to get where I am and they're not even trying. They want everything handed to them".

I do know that learning another country's language and culture is difficult, but I do dislike those that legitimately aren't trying. The whole cliquey thing with Asians is kind of silly, especially when they're only being friends with the English speaking ones solely because they know English and rely on that person regardless if they're busy. Why bother learning how to do something if Takeru's going to do it for us? He's busy with work? What an asshole, I might never get anything done.
(10-03-2013, 05:19 AM)Grungie Wrote: [ -> ]Japan's a bit xenophobic, largely it has to do with it being mostly a racially homogeneous society, and history also plays a part.
As I thought. Does this mean that the larger a majority is, the more likely the populace will be racist? Like I said, Montreal is very multi-ethnic and I've seldom if not never met a person who is racist, even superficially.

(10-03-2013, 05:19 AM)Grungie Wrote: [ -> ]Though if you go to Japan to live there for awhile, and you're not a tourist, you're expected to learn their customs. So if you've been there for about a year and you're not making progress, you're going to have a hard time.
Of course. Not sure why people wouldn't want to learn the customs if they're interested in moving to Japan though. The USA is probably a little different considering that a lot of people tend to move there specifically to get jobs or to leave their country.

(10-03-2013, 05:19 AM)Grungie Wrote: [ -> ]Though I do know in the US, largely with Asians and Hispanics, that the ones who go out of their way to learn English and get "normal" jobs and such look down on the ones who don't bother to learn English. My mom says "I busted my ass to get where I am and they're not even trying. They want everything handed to them".

I do know that learning another country's language and culture is difficult, but I do dislike those that legitimately aren't trying. The whole cliquey thing with Asians is kind of silly, especially when they're only being friends with the English speaking ones solely because they know English and rely on that person regardless if they're busy. Why bother learning how to do something if Takeru's going to do it for us? He's busy with work? What an asshole, I might never get anything done.
I agree with you, on that general train of thought. Though I have either a mixed, indifferent or not yet formed opinion regarding immigration.