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I came up with a joke earlier that might be relevant:



What do pornstars and politicians have in common?

A: They're both paid to screw people.
So on April 7th we're having provincial elections, and I'm surprised at how many of my colleagues are nationalists. I don't normally give a lemur's behind about politics outside of philosophy, but, and though everyone seems to be choosing their party based on the lesser evil rather than the greater good as apparently all the parties are shitholes, if the nationalist/independentist party wins, Quebec will no longer be part of Canada.

Is it just me, or does making Quebec its own country sound awfully unwise for the long term?
It'd screw over Quebec's economy. That's for sure.
I think Quebec could be self sustainable if they still maintain most of their ties with Canada (open borders, free trade etc.) which from what I know is what the Parti Quebecois want. Just because they could doesn't mean it'll go well. I feel the same about Scotland.

I understand the basic argument for Quebecois nationalism although I don't think this is really needed. They already have more autonomy than most provinces and have been recognised as a 'nation'. It's not my choice though, so ultimately I am fine with either outcome.
(03-22-2014, 09:40 PM)crazysam23 Wrote: [ -> ]It'd screw over Quebec's economy. That's for sure.
Lol, the whole reason people want to vote for them is because they think it'll help the economy.

(03-22-2014, 09:59 PM)carlcockatoo Wrote: [ -> ]I think Quebec could be self sustainable if they still maintain most of their ties with Canada (open borders, free trade etc.) which from what I know is what the Parti Quebecois want. Just because they could doesn't mean it'll go well. I feel the same about Scotland.
I'm surprised someone outside of Quebec (or Canada, at least) knows about the political situation here, hahaha. But then again, I'm not surprised it's you Tongue

(03-22-2014, 09:59 PM)carlcockatoo Wrote: [ -> ]I understand the basic argument for Quebecois nationalism although I don't think this is really needed. They already have more autonomy than most provinces and have been recognised as a 'nation'. It's not my choice though, so ultimately I am fine with either outcome.
Yeah, one big social issue for Quebec is culture preservation, and the province is getting increasingly anglophone and homogenized with Canada, what with its multiculturalism (just look at Montreal).

Again though, people are now choosing the lesser evil over the greater good, in that nobody is satisfied with any party.
(03-22-2014, 09:59 PM)carlcockatoo Wrote: [ -> ]I think Quebec could be self sustainable if they still maintain most of their ties with Canada (open borders, free trade etc.) which from what I know is what the Parti Quebecois want. Just because they could doesn't mean it'll go well.
Well, that's the thing. Would Canada be as willing to trade with them? I'm sure as a country Canada would keep all the ties diplomatically, but what about the average Canadian citizen? I understand that most Canadians already are tired of hearing about how the Quebecois are "French". Would they be less willing to visit Quebec if it was no longer part of Canada? Is that a risk that Quebec should take? Confusedhrug:

Sorry, Joel, but Quebec and France haven't had much in common for 200 years. Even their languages are basically different dialects now. They're like England and the USA, where both countries speak English but are dissimilar.
Quebecois French is actually more traditional than France French, believe it or not. Basically, the reason is because back when Canada was colonized, the upper-class in France wanted to look better than their "plebeian" counterparts in America, so they began to refine their tongue.

In musical literature class, we've listened to recordings of traditional medieval French chants and songs, and it's incredibly blatant that the singers are singing in an accent similar to Quebecois. Sounds kind of funny, actually.
(03-23-2014, 04:55 AM)JoelCarli Wrote: [ -> ]Quebecois French is actually more traditional than France French, believe it or not. Basically, the reason is because back when Canada was colonized, the upper-class in France wanted to look better than their "plebeian" counterparts in America, so they began to refine their tongue.
Well, that's fine. BUT the French in France now have a largely different culture and dialect. That's the main point I was making. It's not bad or anything. I just don't think the French in France would really consider the Quebecois to be French, in that sense. Confusedhrug:

Quote:In musical literature class, we've listened to recordings of traditional medieval French chants and songs, and it's incredibly blatant that the singers are singing in an accent similar to Quebecois. Sounds kind of funny, actually.
Hmmm...interesting. That'd be like if the modern Australians decided to speak in the dialect that the 1800s English used; kind of a weird idea to consider...
Of course. But Quebec Nationalists are more about protecting Quebec culture in general.
Well, that's fair. They just have to keep in mind that any possibility of hurting the Quebec economy isn't going to help. lol