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Isn't progarchives just a bunch of pretentious bullshit?

I still fail to see how Radiohead is prog according to them.
(05-18-2013, 05:56 AM)Grungie Wrote: [ -> ]Isn't progarchives just a bunch of pretentious bullshit?
That depends on your opinion. They do an excellent job of putting the history of prog and cataloging the various varieties of it. I think it comes off as pretentious to people who don't understand prog in context of the history of it.

Quote:I still fail to see how Radiohead is prog according to them.
Then, you should listen to more "Crossover Prog", which by the way isn't a genre so much as a collection of bands who mix Prog elements with pop song structures. I think Radiohead fits that description, as do (for example) the Moody Blues.

Honestly, though, if this is going to turn into another discussion where you bring up how it doesn't make sense to you, and I end up partially justifying it all and partially telling you to just listen to bands (sort of like last time, lol)...then, for the sake of both of us, we might as well skip it. Confusedhrug:
You didn't really justify anything since "we have different fanbases because metal and rock are vastly different genres you can't compare them, apples and oranges" is such a garbage response. If you think that metal and rock are like apples and oranges, you should at least man up and admit you're an elitist if you think they're that vastly different from each other.

Also I find it humorous that you're supportive of something really vague as crossover prog, but you demand metalcore bands to be separated, or is it because they're not metal so it's magically okay to justify this? Or defending fake genres, why venomously defend a fake genre a website created? It's like I'll defend to the death over why Soundgarden is stoner-grunge because stoner-archives listed them as such.
And we're done here...

You're welcome to your opinion on all of this, but you can't keep trying to treat every single genre you encounter as if it's alternative. It doesn't work that way. There isn't a "one size fits all", so to speak.

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Also, this is the 2nd time you've vastly misrepresented my original argument. It's like you think all of this stuff is created without any reasoning, with your justification for your side of the argument simply because alternative fans don't divide things up into subgenres really*. Confusedhrug:

*Although, even this isn't true in a sense, because even wikipedia can tell me that there's subgenres in alternative. So, really, it's just that most alternative fans don't classify things into subgenres when discussing alternative.

Fact is, you can rail against it all you want, but just because it doesn't make sense to you isn't a valid justification for criticizing genres for how they do things. Now, can we just agree to disagree?


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And I am elitist. But you're no less of an elitist for insisting that fans of Metal, Punk, Prog Rock, and any other genre that subdivides into multiple subgenres or sub-subgenres should conform into your viewpoint of how genres should work. If it isn't elitism to insist that everyone do things in the way that YOU find sensible, then I don't really know what is. Confusedhrug:
(05-18-2013, 06:54 AM)crazysam23 Wrote: [ -> ]Edit2:
And I am elitist. But you're no less of an elitist for insisting that fans of Metal, Punk, Prog Rock, and any other genre that subdivides into multiple subgenres or sub-subgenres should conform into your viewpoint of how genres should work. If it isn't elitism to insist that everyone do things in the way that YOU find sensible, then I don't really know what is. Confusedhrug:

I'm not trying to denounce real genres since stuff like Crossover Thrash and Post-Britpop are established genres, I'm just questioning why you're defensive over fake genres like Nu-Metalcore and Crossover-Prog that are really only used on one or two websites and the rest of the music world gives zero fucks over it (or knows the existence of). Since Nu-Metalcore is really only used on UG's music discussion forum, it has as much legitimacy is if we made my Stoner-Grunge in common usage on MTB's rock subforum.
Confusedhrug:

I've stated that over and over, yet you're set in stone that I'm on a crusade against subgenres which I am not. Atmospheric Sludge Metal is here to stay nomatter what someone says, but Post-Ass Sludge that's only used on sludge-forums.com is bogus. (It's like if you're trying to defend half the silly labels that /mu/ concocts in every thread.)

Confusedhrug:
But all genres are fake. You just have to close your eyes and clench your teeth until they're real.
Genres, for the most part, are dumb. Mostly due to arbitrary sub-genres.

Either we have too many genres (in which case it should boil down to just Rock, Blues, Metal, Jazz, Classical, Pop, and a few others) or too little (in which case every single band has its own genre).
(05-18-2013, 07:30 AM)Grungie Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-18-2013, 06:54 AM)crazysam23 Wrote: [ -> ]Edit2:
And I am elitist. But you're no less of an elitist for insisting that fans of Metal, Punk, Prog Rock, and any other genre that subdivides into multiple subgenres or sub-subgenres should conform into your viewpoint of how genres should work. If it isn't elitism to insist that everyone do things in the way that YOU find sensible, then I don't really know what is. Confusedhrug:

I'm not trying to denounce real genres since stuff like Crossover Thrash and Post-Britpop are established genres, I'm just questioning why you're defensive over fake genres like metalcore and Crossover-Prog that are really only used on one or two websites and the rest of the music world gives zero fucks over it (or knows the existence of). Since Nu-Metalcore is really only used on UG's music discussion forum, it has as much legitimacy is if we made my Stoner-Grunge in common usage on MTB's rock subforum.
Confusedhrug:
Because they're not fake, plenty of people use terms like Metalcore and Crossover-Prog. Just because you don't see why they're useful doesn't make them fake. It helps people interested in Prog or Hardcore or Metal describe things, and that's not a bad thing. If you don't want to be that specific, then no one is forcing to do so. Besides, it's not like I (or any other Metalhead, in this case) run around telling people who don't give 2 shits about Metal, "I like Funeral Doom Metal". That'd be silly, because they probably don't even know what Doom Metal is, let alone what Funeral Doom is. All these subgenres are more a way of describing how bands sound to people who have some idea what that subgenre is.

And actually, there's been quite a bit of discussion in UG's Hardcore Forum as to what to call bands that I referred as "Nu-Metalcore". The conclusion most of us, including myself, came to is that those bands should be take case by case and put into the Metal genre they most fit.
(05-18-2013, 04:49 PM)crazysam23 Wrote: [ -> ]Because they're not fake, plenty of people use terms like Metalcore and Crossover-Prog. Just because you don't see why they're useful doesn't make them fake.

I call them fake genres because you stated they weren't real genres. I also wouldn't consider UG an authority on much of anything.