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RE: Community Thread - Grungie - 07-11-2013

(07-11-2013, 05:20 AM)WCPhils Wrote: Yes :haha:

I brought that up to my black friends and they laughed after they realized it was true. "Fuck, I have a cousin in Chicago"


RE: Community Thread - wwf - 07-11-2013

lol didn't read that entire last page


RE: Community Thread - bbbrad - 07-11-2013

(07-11-2013, 03:10 AM)carlcockatoo Wrote: Lol.

For real though, I know it's wrong to tell my parents they should cut back, but I think we have a potential problem. We are still well to do of course and we still have extra money coming in. The problem is (this will sound self centred) is the money per year they could have available to me (and eventually my sister if she ever gains any motivation) for university is decreasing, and we are still living without healthcare, etc. The problem is that they have basically been lying to me, and we have ridiculous spending habits that continue to grow every year. We live like millionaires, but we cannot afford to live like millionaires. They still aren't really letting me work or anything, and my dad keeps offering me toys to shut me up (for example he offered to buy me a new cell phone the other day even though I don't want one). He wants to buy an expensive car either this year or next even though we already have two vehicles, not including the work truck he drives and keeps at home. Everyday he pulls up expensive homes in Lake Havasu on housing websites to dream about, so who knows what's next. Things are still good for the moment but if I just sit back and don't attempt to limit our ridiculous spending, I can see us in financial ruin at some point.

Edit: Oh and I forgot to mention the ridiculous credit card debt they are accumulating.
I get that maybe you're worried about your parents' debt and stuff but they're adults and since you'll likely be outta town by the time their debt problems come to fruition it shouldn't be your problem. If you try and get through to them that they should be aware of the potential of their debt and they don't listen then that's all you can do. Don't worry about it.

(07-11-2013, 03:17 AM)carlcockatoo Wrote: My problem with the pool is it costs us a lot and they only have it for status. It basically just sits there. I think they've used it three times total.
So wouldn't it make sense for you to use it then? I mean, at least help not make it go to waste by putting it to use.

(07-11-2013, 04:32 AM)carlcockatoo Wrote:
(07-11-2013, 04:28 AM)Grungie Wrote: I just have a bad taste in my mouth with people who are intent on moving to a far away city/country. I always see that they have some idealized vision of how it'll be to live there, and after they get their taste of being a tourist, they'll go back to feeling that their regular lives and back to complaining about the mundainness of it.

I was expecting this response, and I can assure you that's not me. I am already aware of all the stupid shit over there, and obviously everywhere becomes mundane after more than a week. I am not content where I am though, and I am expecting to feel mundane/average/pissed off about stuff no matter where I am.

Edit: Also, this has been building up for a while and I didn't decide to actually push for it until I realised I could go to a prestigious school for relatively 'cheap'. It's not like I just decided I wanted to live in Buckingham Palace or something.

I agree with Grungie. I think it's just one of those teenager things though because that's how I thought up until like last year and that's how everybody in my class thought too. Gotta rebel. If there was a heaven on earth, I bet 8 out of 10 teenagers there would want to leave when they graduated high school.

I think it's silly to think a change of scenery will automatically make everything great (not saying cokortwo is saying that), because if you wanted to be truly happy you could do it in the worst of circumstances. Regardless of which shithole you live in you have the ability to be happy in it. It's just a matter of whether you want to or not. I'm not saying that you shouldn't be upgrading if you can, but I think too many people think that the environment around them has to be perfect for them to be content and it makes me sad because it's not really true. I see that kind of thinking as a way to deflect responsibility for making the best of your situation so I don't like it. It might be a lot easier to be content somewhere else, but that doesn't mean it's impossible and not worth trying to be content in your current situation. (This is more of a tangent than an attack on slippy.)

I feel like I am kindof speaking from experience also. I grew up in what you think is the worst state in one of the most sparsely populated areas of the state and arguably the most conservative in the US. I spent the last 2 years of my life basically in stagnation, because I thought there was nothing here for me and I "planned" to move away to somewhere more fun and exciting because I was depressed and lonely and thought a change of scenery would do me good. And you know what, a change of scenery would have done me good and I bet it would've helped me come out of that state of loneliness and sadness much quicker. But I have not moved away and I am living (now that I think about it) under worse conditions than I was the past couple of years. Yet I am happier now than I ever was those two years. For those two years I felt like I was just wasting away because in my mind I felt like this place could not benefit me at all and I had to wait until I could leave for anything to get better. And since I believed that living in this place was hell, it became hell. It was a self-fulfilling prophecy that I created. But over the last 6ish months I stopped thinking about how crappy it is to live in this place and how I had no friends and no excitement or stimulation. Instead I thought to myself, "Hey you loathsome cunt, why don't you focus on all of the positives you could be experiencing where you are now? Why don't you get involved and be proactive? Experience all you can while you're here in your current situation even if it may not be as ideal as you want? Rather than looking for some external source to change your scenery for you, why don't you do it yourself?" So I changed my own scenery. I changed the way I thought about this place, the way I thought about my school, the way I thought about the environment around me. In doing so, I became happier. I woke up excited to go outside and go to school and go to work and enjoy it. My focus wasn't on finding something, but on seeing everything and being cognizant and aware of everything. And y'know what, it's not so bad. I met more friends, did better in school, felt more inspired to do things, etc. I wasn't waiting for things to get better, I was making them better myself, and I still do that. I mean, it's not like I am living in Egypt or Syria or Sudan. There are plenty of positives here. You just have to be willing to see them. Moving somewhere else can help, but most often it is the change in your mindset that plays the biggest role in allowing you to live betta lyfe.

I am way over relaxed and calm though it seems so I get why people might think i'm crazy lol. I'm tired so those words are all very poorly stated and stuff prolly idc. That was a helluva rant I just went on. Don't take it as an attack on you or anything because I just went off on a big tangent and was talking to myself. I am kindof embarrassed now but i'm going to post it anyway cuz i'm tired #KerouacLyfe

At any rate, you would benefit from reading this book someday slippy:

http://aqilkhans.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/dale-carnegie-how-to-stop-worrying-and-start-living.pdf


RE: Community Thread - carlcockatoo - 07-11-2013

I have considered that brad, and if I have to except my current condition I will. But if I have a chance to change it why wouldn't I? I think one thing Grungie is forgetting that I have travelled through various parts of the US, visited other countries, and have lived in Tucson for only a year. I also have no real friends here, and no family other than my parents. There is nothing I like about the city itself other than first-world living conditions (which I am very grateful to have, trust me). Taking all of that into account, it's not like I'm some kid who has spent his whole life in Tucson and will long to come back as soon as I leave. So why should I limit myself to one option if I know I don't particularly like it? With that said, I know I should first attempt to make living here better. You should know that I did put in effort, and I do socialise at school and such, but nobody around here seems to want to do anything, and almost everyone I know is just like me; they moved from somewhere else and do not like it here. Granted I live in first world rich people land so we are probably all spoiled brats. If I do manage to get a girlfriend or something, obviously I would be content in staying. I also sometimes fantasise about joining the city council and making the place not suck, and a bunch of other things I'm too embarrassed to mention. But if none of that happens, who applies to just one university anyway? I might as well apply to places that interest me if they present better educational opportunities. Overall I'm taking into account education more than anything, but I am mostly talking about living somewhere at the moment since that's what people are ridiculing me for.

Anyway, my whole thing about going to Britain or Minnesota can be explained by comparing what happens if I stay and if I leave:

If I stay:
- There is no 'I may or may not like it', I already know I am not fond of this place.
- It is cheaper, but I am also playing it way safe by staying.
- This will sound immature, but I would prefer to not live with my parents and drive an hour to university, which means I will be less active in university life. Not bad by any means, but not my preference, especially since I hate driving (when I 'fantasise' about moving, infrastructure and transportation is one of the key things I look at).
- I will have earned a degree from the University of Arizona, which is a good school, but not as prestigious as the other schools I'm applying to. It is also not much of an accomplishment considering everyone else in this city with a degree will have the same qualifications.


If I go to England or Minnesota:
- I may or may not like living there, which is a risk I'm willing to take since I already know I don't like it here.
- It is more expensive, and I will definitely end up in some debt, but these schools are cheap enough to the point that if I'm smart it will be nowhere near the average student debt in the US. I accept the challenge as I would be ashamed for the rest of my life if I literally just had everything handed to me.
- I will live on campus, which means I will be more active in university life, and the campuses I am looking at are near the city centres in their respective cities, which is infinitely more appealing to me than the way I am currently living.
- I will be able to go to a more prestigious university. All of the UK schools I am applying are part of the Russell Group, the British equivalent of the Ivy League (they are also not going to care that my grades slipped last year like US schools will), and rank higher than my local university. International experience will also look very good. The University of Minnesota Twin Cities campus is not as prestigious as Berkeley or Ann Harbor, but is still considered one of the better public universities in the United States, and is more prestigious than the University of Arizona (especially in my areas of interests).
- Other benefits include me mooching off of Britain's NHS. I'll finally be able to get a doctor to look at my throat. (I'm joking right now but that actually is a perk >_>)

In case anyone is getting the impression that I am whining like I normally do, I am not. I am comparing a good option with a better one, and I am experiencing a burst of optimism at the moment. I don't know why I would want to stay if I don't really have much here (emotionally speaking) and I am closing off opportunities by staying, especially if Grungie is suggesting I don't even apply anywhere else.

Edit: By the way I've already started reading the book you linked to.


RE: Community Thread - Grungie - 07-11-2013

(07-11-2013, 09:10 AM)carlcockatoo Wrote: I think one thing Grungie is forgetting that I have travelled through various parts of the US, visited other countries, and have lived in Tucson for only a year. I also have no real friends here, and no family other than my parents.

I'm in the same boat as you are, that's why I'm talking from experience.


RE: Community Thread - crazysam23 - 07-11-2013

@carl:
I say go to Britain. As someone who lives near the Twin Cities in Minnesota, I can tell you it's boring as hell most of the time, unless you have money for things like concerts or plays.


RE: Community Thread - bbbrad - 07-11-2013

I think most people don't give a shit about how prestigious your school is tbh. Unless it's like some really shitty or super Christian oriented one.


RE: Community Thread - Grungie - 07-11-2013

(07-11-2013, 09:10 PM)bbbrad Wrote: I think most people don't give a shit about how prestigious your school is tbh. Unless it's like some really shitty or super Christian oriented one.

Pretty much, unless you're studying physics at Cornell University, I doubt most people care what school you went to, unless you want to just brag.


RE: Community Thread - BobSacamano - 07-11-2013

Shit. About the traveling conversation, I kinda wanted to travel to meet interesting people. That was a big part of it anyway. Cracked just made me realize that was dumb and delusional 'cuz they'll hate me. I don't know why I've never thought about that.


RE: Community Thread - crazysam23 - 07-11-2013

(07-11-2013, 09:34 PM)Grungie Wrote:
(07-11-2013, 09:10 PM)bbbrad Wrote: I think most people don't give a shit about how prestigious your school is tbh. Unless it's like some really shitty or super Christian oriented one.

Pretty much, unless you're studying physics at Cornell University, I doubt most people care what school you went to, unless you want to just brag.
To an extent, but it does say something if (for instance) you went to an engineering school or an Ivy League school. The general premise is that you had to work hard or be really smart to graduate from places like that.
Whether that's true or not is debatable, at least when it comes to certain degrees. A math degree tends to be more intensive than a degree in history or philosophy.