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RE: Anime/Manga Thread - Grungie - 08-10-2013 Imo they're usually the most interesting character since they tend to be funnier RE: Anime/Manga Thread - crazysam23 - 08-10-2013 True. RE: Anime/Manga Thread - Grungie - 08-11-2013 I've been neglecting Accel World the past couple of days, I've been watching new episodes from some of the shows that are currently airing. I feel sorry for the new guy in Love Lab RE: Anime/Manga Thread - BobSacamano - 08-11-2013 So.. Does anime make money in general? I don't see how it would unless it's bought a lot in Japan. There are so many (I don't really understand how) that most of them are really obscure and there definitely aren't many people buying even some of the more popular ones over here. And it must cost a lot - probably not as much as most American TV if they don't dub it but I guess I just don't understand how most of it gets funded. RE: Anime/Manga Thread - Grungie - 08-11-2013 They sell really well in Japan since shows like Bleach, Naruto and One Piece are massive money makers over there, and you can see that some of the shows that are popular on "illegal" streaming sites are selling really well. With the US, there's kind of a recession in the industry. Largely due to piracy, and the fact that some companies have overestimated how popular a show would be and they ended up as failures. They go to fansub sites and see what shows are really popular, and somehow they don't actually sell. I know this lesser known company tried to dub the show Bakuman which was really popular, but then they only dubbed the first 7 episodes and noticed that nobody bought the DVD's, so they canceled the rest of the dub. Even big name companies like Funimation got hit hard, they had to lay off a lot of their voice acting staff, which is why you'll sort of notice a lot of reoccurring actors in several shows. With piracy, a lot of people have already seen the shows on fansubs at least 6 months to a year before they release a DVD of it, subbed or dubbed, and many of them don't go buy the DVD's. Some of those people tend to be like Inst and say "why do I have to pay for a DVD that's in standard definition if I can get the fansubs for free at 720p?" and perceive the DVD's as lesser quality. Going off on that quote, I saw when a DVD release got canceled due to lack of sales and people said "omg, how did people not buy these DVD's? It's an amazing show, except I would never buy it because I can get fansubs for free". I think those people aren't helping either. RE: Anime/Manga Thread - BobSacamano - 08-11-2013 Makes sense. Is that why shows are either around 10 episodes or they're massive like Bleach? RE: Anime/Manga Thread - Grungie - 08-11-2013 No, the number of episodes is based on a mixture of how Japanese TV works, and the manga industry. First off, with Japanese TV, they don't work on syndication like the US does. Episodes air once a week, and once they air an episode, that's usually it. Sometimes they air it again later that week, but once the season's done airing, that's it. It's not like in the US where they keep showing reruns until the next season shows up, whenever that is. Japan also has stuff constantly cycling, so the week directly after your show ends, another one starts. That's why a majority of shows range from between 12-13 episodes for a "half" season or 25 episodes for a "full" season, based around how TV seasons in Japan work. So to commission a show you either have to shoot for a half or full season, or basically keep it going as long as possible non-stop until it ends, or risk losing your time slot. Then there's the manga industry. The reason why Bleach and Naruto have hundreds of episodes is based on the magazine the manga is published in. Bleach and Naruto are published in a weekly magazine, which means a new chapter every week. So if a weekly manga is popular for a few years, you have a ton of source material to work with for episodes. This is how they can keep the show going for so long since the chapters come out very quickly. The 12-25 episode shows are usually based on light novels, or manga that gets a chapter published monthly. So that's why a how like Minami-Ke that's 9 years old only has 10 manga volumes while Bleach has 60 despite being a couple years older. That's why these end up getting turned into 12 episode shows or 25 episodes, because the source material takes awhile to be written. It also explains why seasons from these shows come out between a year to a few years apart from each other. So with the aspect of manga releases and Japanese TV scheduling in mind, only the super popular weekly manga get commissioned for "never ending" episode runs. Though a problem with this is that an episode takes up about two chapters worth of material, so they can quickly catch up to the manga despite having a couple year head start. This is where filler comes in. Since Japan doesn't do syndication, you have to keep churning episodes, or you lose your time slot to another show until the next season or two. Also if you commission a show for a season, you're obligated to air an episode at that time slot until the end of the season. With this, they use filler to have episodes fill out the entire season, or to give the manga time to get ahead for awhile until the next filler arc. Since it's kind of a pain in the ass for other companies to do this, they usually only commission a half season or full season no matter how popular the show is, and that's it. Or you just have to wait a few seasons or a few years for the next season to start if it's popular enough. RE: Anime/Manga Thread - BobSacamano - 08-11-2013 Oh, thank you for explaining that. I never knew what the deal was. RE: Anime/Manga Thread - Grungie - 08-11-2013 I still can't remember where I found the information about how Japanese TV schedules work, but someone explained it when they were explaining why Bleach is on hiatus. RE: Anime/Manga Thread - crazysam23 - 08-12-2013 I kind of wish anime would "divorce" itself from manga, because it can be kind of tedious to wait months or whatever for your favorite show to come back on the air. |