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RE: The Venting/Ranting/Hugging Thread! - Danjo - 10-05-2014
Yep yep yep. I feel like people are the same way about tolerance. I don't think being an asshole to everyone because they're "intolerant" is really showing tolerance.
I think the bottom line is that what people say and what they do are often not the same. I know I'm somewhat guilty of that as well, because on paper I'm pretty conservative, but in practice looking at things at a case by case basis, I probably won't stick to my guns.
RE: The Venting/Ranting/Hugging Thread! - JCizzle - 10-06-2014
I think we're all a little like that, and I myself tend to use the term "on paper" (or "in principle") when musing into my philosophical ideals, some of which don't usually work in the real world.
I tend to play cynic a lot from an 'emotional' standpoint but from a perfectly rational one, I tend to be very forgiving of others' incompetence (for lack of better word), because I believe in determinism, and that there aren't "good" or "evil" people, just sins and sinners (for lack of better terms).
RE: The Venting/Ranting/Hugging Thread! - carlcockatoo - 11-18-2014
motherfucking babylon cops at it again.
I got a ticket for 'failing to respond to an emergency vehicle' because I didn't pull over fast enough for this motherfucker (under the circumstances I couldn't just pull over immediately. It was like 10 seconds, not a fucking high speed chase). This guy had the 80s pornstar mustache and screechy white devil voice and everything. He was a douchebag about it too. When I explained why he said he would consider just giving a warning (totally didn't see this coming ololololo good one) and he came back and was like 'changed my mind'. Then he tries to act like a nice guy because he reduced the $180 speeding ticket to just a warning, but then he gives me a fucking $300 ticket for something I didn't really do. I should just be thankful that they protect my stupid ass suburb for forty years like all the propaganda posters say!
Seriously giving $300 to a bad police department that is already grossly overfunded and doesn't deserve shit is a terrible feeling, as we all know. Of course this is Oro Valley, Arizona, so as he's being a douchebag rich old white people are just walking up and saying 'good morning officer! how are you?' Then he asks me if I have marijuana in the car and threatens to search my vehicle (at least he ended up not actually doing that). /today's rant over boring shit#salty
RE: The Venting/Ranting/Hugging Thread! - JCizzle - 11-19-2014
Holy shit dude o_O
RE: The Venting/Ranting/Hugging Thread! - crazysam23 - 11-19-2014
What the hell kind of cop asks about marijuana when pulling you over for such a minor offense? He must've been bored to all fucking hell!
RE: The Venting/Ranting/Hugging Thread! - carlcockatoo - 11-19-2014
Yeah the cops here are pretty shit. Not NYPD levels of notoriety but they're not good. Where I live there's very little real crime so they just spend all day extorting ridiculous sums of money out of people over petty shit like that. It almost feels like one out of every ten people in my area is a cop sometimes, and they're always showing off fancy shit they got from the local government that they don't deserve. And then of course the most indoctrinated people here love them and actually say shit like 'we need them to keep the riff-raff/Mexicans out!' (this is why my parents picked this area. the same parents who told me I need to be around 'more white people' hence my identity crisis posts). I can't find it online but there's actually signs that look like this lining a street near me:
![[Image: Screen+Shot+2014-02-13+at+5.04.39+PM.png]](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MrwvX6qvSJM/Uv1d4Da-K8I/AAAAAAAAA9g/vW_j67OhT6s/s1600/Screen+Shot+2014-02-13+at+5.04.39+PM.png)
These are just very minor things too. Since I've lived here the worst I've seen them do in person is just randomly tackle people to the ground on the sidewalk who weren't even running or anything, and pulling guns on elderly people who pose no threat. But they frequently do much worse. When there's a protest they're known for provoking protesters and then beating them (very little attention given because this is Tucson). There's actually been a few Mike Brown-esque cases that barely even got a mention in the local media. I was just on a forum for the city, and this lady was posting about her unarmed son was shot and killed by the police. All I could find in the local media was a brief 'unarmed man shot by police' article, and a statement on a local human right's lawyer website saying that there is no way the woman could fight this in court and 'win'. :/
But nobody cares because these are just 'Mexicans taking over the country' getting shot. Despite the fact that in the context of this city, the white cops are the 'newcomers' and regardless, beating/murdering people like that is never justified. Shit like this happens all the time but as long as the powerful people in areas like mine keep shouting 'secure the border' (which is code name for a lot of awful things) people will continue to just brush it off.
RE: The Venting/Ranting/Hugging Thread! - WCPhils - 11-19-2014
if they didn't want the mexicans there they shouldn't have named it new mexico
*ba dum tish*
amiright?
RE: The Venting/Ranting/Hugging Thread! - carlcockatoo - 11-19-2014
ur absolutely right.
boring serious rant incoming:
lol 40 years never looked so good. Guess what was happening 40 years ago? White flight. So much wonderful symbolism in this area. Interesting you should bring the name up because that doesn't even come from Mexico the country. (this is what cued me to go on a history rant). It's named after a Spanish administrative district in the region during the colonial times (both names come from Mexica- the real name for the Aztecs, who still exist in many different forms). Anyone screaming that this is America now (which in many minds means white America) as an excuse for discrimination and 'secure the border' nonsense is either ignorant or basically supporting modern day colonialism. This city was founded in the early 1700s (there was an earlier Spanish/indigenous presence, of course) and did not become a part of the United States until 1853. A lot of people pull the 'Mexico only had it for a few decades so who gaf' card but regardless of how long an official, independent Mexico 'owned it', 'Mexican people' existed here for far longer. Anyway, even once it became a part of the US, it still remained a culturally Mexican city for years after. It wasn't until the railroad made its way down here (lol every male adult in my family works for the railroad more symbolism) that 'Anglo-American' settlers came to Tucson in large numbers. This is like, late 1800s/1900s. Now, at this time the population was only approx. 10,000, so many Mexicans are 'newcomers', but as I go it'll make sense why this doesn't matter. The railroad basically split the city in two. Incoming Anglo-American settlers settled on the east and west sides, while the local Mexicans (and other minorities) lived in the west and south sides. Guess which parts of the city are worse off today. Back then, Mexicans were basically the only group of people allowed in the US legally in any sizable numbers via a 'guest worker' program that is no longer in place. The same sort of thing that Europe is criticised for (but we don't even have that anymore lol). People say they need to come here legally but for most people there isn't even a legal path. 'Waiting in line' isn't even an option for them.
The end result (including for Mexicans whose families have been in the US before any 'Anglo' people) is modern day segregation. It still exists here but the outside world does not care because nobody is going to associate that with a city that is mostly split between Latinos and whites. There's this sort of racial binary in American culture where all we focus on is 'black and white people', and as a result issues pertaining to everyone else are often overlooked and this 'secure the border' shit is easy to promote to the rest of the country.
Obviously that means that there's all this racial profiling by the police during a time when drugs and crime already make it bad enough, the old barrios are being gentrified, the white suburbs are perpetually stuck in the 1970s and pissing on everyone else, and people are otherwise being fucked. Which is why being coerced into paying into this system because a cop decided to be a prick is so infuriating.
And that's how I went from fuck the police to a boring history rant.
Probably a lot of repeat information from previous rants. I guess my point is that people in other parts of the country probably imagine a chaotic, cartel infested place where the over-funded and highly-encouraged police are needed but what's actually happening is the same old-rich-authoritarian-white-America abuses everyone else tactics. Doesn't help that it's these same forces that are largely responsible for the problems caused by the war on drugs to begin with.
RE: The Venting/Ranting/Hugging Thread! - Danjo - 11-20-2014
(11-19-2014, 10:05 PM)WCPhils Wrote: if they didn't want the mexicans there they shouldn't have named it new mexico
*ba dum tish*
amiright?
Hey boy, get your states right. He lives in Arizona, I'm the one in New Mexico. We aren't nearly as racist. But it probably helps that the state is mostly hispanic, and no rich people live here.
RE: The Venting/Ranting/Hugging Thread! - carlcockatoo - 11-20-2014
(11-20-2014, 01:32 AM)Danjo Wrote: Hey boy, get your states right. He lives in Arizona, I'm the one in New Mexico. We aren't nearly as racist. But it probably helps that the state is mostly hispanic, and no rich people live here.
It did not take long at all to find the Albuqurque equivalent to my neighborhood. :p
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.2007177,-106.7525176,3a,75y,156.29h,73.48t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1so0pBjHF_QyjN5zpQKCLe8w!2e0
Except the houses aren't as big in mine and mine is just two curvy roads in the middle of the desert basically.