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They came up with 6,000 years by looking at the lineages in the bible and guessing ages between generations (or something like that, not actually sure how they get from lineages to years) and adding them all up. I'm pretty sure there are some gaps though, and there definitely aren't ages listed for everyone. Sometime I want to actually try to go through and look at that.

I've mentioned before that I am actually a Young Earther, but I would favor at least 10-12 thousand years, since thats about as much human history as we have. I think its possible to make it work if you assume that most or all of earth geologic history was already there when it was created. But I know most people think its completely ridiculous.
That's actually a really good argument for YEC, and there is a name for it, which escapes me.

My post wasn't about the truth or untruth of YEC as much as it was a commentary on whether science and religion are necessarily incompatible Confusedhrug:
(02-19-2014, 05:34 AM)Danjo Wrote: [ -> ]They came up with 6,000 years by looking at the lineages in the bible and guessing ages between generations (or something like that, not actually sure how they get from lineages to years) and adding them all up. I'm pretty sure there are some gaps though, and there definitely aren't ages listed for everyone. Sometime I want to actually try to go through and look at that.

I've mentioned before that I am actually a Young Earther, but I would favor at least 10-12 thousand years, since thats about as much human history as we have. I think its possible to make it work if you assume that most or all of earth geologic history was already there when it was created. But I know most people think its completely ridiculous.

Well how do you explain pre-written human history, and pre-human history? I can't believe in a young earth theory when there's all this older shit lying around
Basically he argues that the Earth was created "old". Like how some people like adding filters to their digital photographs to make them look more like Polaroids.
That sounds kind of half assed to me. Like your explanation kind of feels like this:

"What's this weird mold covered thing in your fridge?"
"Oh, it fridge made with that modly thing"

I can maybe see the ground and water being created that way, but I was referring to old stuff like fossils and cave drawings.
Yeah, my family refers to it as like a "Mature" earth. But Grungie, basically the idea is that all the old stuff might have just been created with the earth and just made so that it appears old. Like distressed furniture or something.

Its pretty much worthless as a scientific theory, but the general point is that it doesn't actually change anything.
So the earth was made with fossils of "ancient" animals?
Possibly, yeah.

I'm not going to try to convince you that this is how things are/were, but thats more or less what I believe, and I think it clears up a lot of the issues of young earth creationism.
(02-19-2014, 04:48 AM)JoelCarli Wrote: [ -> ](fun fact: early Jews didn't even reject polytheism; rather, they believed that there were many "gods", but then there was GOD (YHWH), who was the only deity worth worshiping, and that was to be worshiped, lest the Jewish people lose their theistic favoritism)
(Another fun fact: It's quite possible that judaism evolved from a tribal religion revering a pantheon of gods into the state mentioned above before reaching the more permanent state of monotheism. The first change might have been inspired by interaction with Atenism, a short-lived, monotheistic religion of Egypt.)

Can't remember any actual sources to back that up, though, but it's an interesting theory. Also, is there a word for facts that aren't actually facts?

(02-19-2014, 06:39 AM)Danjo Wrote: [ -> ]Possibly, yeah.

I'm not going to try to convince you that this is how things are/were, but thats more or less what I believe, and I think it clears up a lot of the issues of young earth creationism.
One issue it doesn't address is why god apparently hates scientists, though. :p:
Btw, does age of creation of 10 000 BC-ish extend to the whole universe, in your opinion, or just earth. Because you get alot of more "abstract" evidence for an older earth when you look out to the stars, which would presumably be... weirder? to fabricate.
(02-19-2014, 11:13 AM)ln cognition Wrote: [ -> ](Another fun fact: It's quite possible that judaism evolved from a tribal religion revering a pantheon of gods into the state mentioned above before reaching the more permanent state of monotheism. The first change might have been inspired by interaction with Atenism, a short-lived, monotheistic religion of Egypt.)
Mhm!

(02-19-2014, 11:13 AM)ln cognition Wrote: [ -> ]Can't remember any actual sources to back that up, though, but it's an interesting theory. Also, is there a word for facts that aren't actually facts?
Well, there's "factoid", but that usually means "something that is often erroneously presented as fact".

(02-19-2014, 11:13 AM)ln cognition Wrote: [ -> ]One issue it doesn't address is why god apparently hates scientists, though. :p:
Btw, does age of creation of 10 000 BC-ish extend to the whole universe, in your opinion, or just earth. Because you get alot of more "abstract" evidence for an older earth when you look out to the stars, which would presumably be... weirder? to fabricate.
Hmm, that's actually an interesting argument, considering a lot of the galaxies we can see (through telescopes, mind you) are so far away that they don't even technically exist anymore, and that what we're actually seeing is the light from them that took billions of years to arrive here.