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Exactly. And there's some girls who, frankly, aren't shaped like a supermodel (you know, decent-sized boobs and a skinny waist with a pretty face, also somewhat tall), because their bodies just aren't that way. Many women aren't tall, actually have curves (curves =/= fat; curves = the shape of their body being curvy from their boobs, along their side, and down to their thighs), and so on. But we've glorified the supermodel look in popular culture. My fiancee is one of those girl who doesn't look like the stereotypical supermodel, and she looks sexy. My point is, I don't see why popular culture seems to emphasize women looking a certain way over women being themselves.

I've actually always loathed the way women are treated in popular culture, such as what you say.

Yeah, I agree, I don't even think supermodels are that attractive sometimes. I would honestly lean more towards some body buildings chicks, though most of them have scary man muscles they aren't supposed to have. But the idea that theres a one size fits all model for girls to be attractive is just stupid. Everyone has different taste. There are girls you guys think are super hot that I won't find attractive, and there are girls I find super hot that you guys won't find attractive.

Wow christ, this is what passes for Religion and Philosophy here? Is skinny attractive?

Quit being so smug, will.

Well you could at least chat about something even tenuously linked to religion OR philosophy. For example, I say the 10 Commandments are absolute wank. What would yours be?

(08-24-2013, 03:43 AM)WilltotheT Wrote: [ -> ]Well you could at least chat about something even tenuously linked to religion OR philosophy. For example, I say the 10 Commandments are absolute wank. What would yours be?

How Dawkins-esque of you...

(08-24-2013, 03:51 AM)crazysam23 Wrote: [ -> ]How Dawkins-esque of you...

Oh god no, I'm much more a Hitch man. I could explain why if you'd like? Taking them from Exodus (because of course, in the numerous times they are given they aren't the same) we have:

"I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods before me."

This is a worthless commandment. It offers no moral insight, only an introduction. That you may have no gods before him seems odd, seeing that anybody looking for the truth after becoming disillusioned with another religion is already buggered.

"You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments."

What is moral, or helpful to humans here? Nothing that I see. You'd expect people who feel a strong connection to God to want to represent him in art, and why shouldn't they? For fear of worshiping a statue or painting? Is this really top 10 moral teachings a God could hand out?

"You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain."

Absolutely vague and no explanation as for why not. No moral teaching to be had. Has anyone even figured out what not taking his name in vain even means? So many people practice this in so many different ways, it is beyond useless.

"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."

Besides the tedious pandering to the creation story, what is to be gained morally here? "Have a rest every Sunday because I need some affirmation once a week"? Somebody explain to me why an all powerful God needs people to keep a day holy FOR him. How this made the top 10 is laughable.

"Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land that the LORD your God is giving you."

At first glance, not a bad one. But you read it over and realize "that your days may be long in the land that the LORD your God is giving you" implies the reason you should honour your parents is for your own gain in longevity here on earth. Not for their nature, or out of love. This isn't moral in the slightest.

"You shall not murder."

First sound commandment. No quarrels here.

"You shall not commit adultery."

God seemingly on the ball now. Not too much to quarrel with, depending on your definition of adultery.

"You shall not steal."

I don't know of any society where stealing was encouraged so it seems a little redundant, but fine enough.

"You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."

This is very good, and maybe the best nuanced commandment. In including the "against", it shows a realization that you may want to lie to cover a friend. Very good.

Finally:

"You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his male servant, or his female servant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor's."

What God thinks is wrong with coveting I'm not quite sure. "I want to have a house like my neighbour" seems a very normal and healthy thought. 'Thought' being the key word. This commandment specifically punishes you for how you think, not how you act.

Secondly, it lists the wife as a possession of the man which is obviously not okay and only adds to the sexist overtones of all Judeo-Christian religions.

There ya go, trying to up the tone a tad

(08-24-2013, 03:25 AM)WilltotheT Wrote: [ -> ]Wow christ, this is what passes for Religion and Philosophy here? Is skinny attractive?

I honestly don't think any thread on this forum is actually on topic

I think the coveting one is probably about how it will lead to other sins eventually, specifically theft, adultery and murder. But yeah I agree it's dumb.

There's nothing wrong with the "neighbor's wife" thing though. That's how it's said. Her husband and his wife is just English.