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The gif says all, lel.
Pretty much. I tried to help the guy out, but he clearly doesn't give a shit.
Might I recommend something like this as a response?

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Lol, I should do that next time he says something stupid (it won't be long)

He's watching the Haruhi Suzumiya anime (the one that spawned that Hare Hare Yukai meme) and he loves declaring when he drops shows, and I can guarantee he's dropping the show when it gets to the infamous Endless Eight episodes. The studio made 8 Groundhog Day episodes, and animated each one slightly different.
I might either have to either unfriend Due, or just block his status updates, because we all know him as a SJW, but he's also one of those obnoxious vegans that loves constantly reminding us he's a vegan, especially with dumb shit like this:

http://kblog.lunchboxbunch.com/2014/07/v...re-10.html

This is a joke list right?
I don't really see anything wrong with that list Confusedhrug:
Really? Because most of that reads really self-righteous.

Here's my breakdown of each one:

1: We are nice because we care about animals, and because we're nice, you shouldn't be annoyed at us. While I have no problem with the intentions of it, but being nice and standing up for a good cause doesn't make you immune to being obnoxious or annoying. Anything to a degree can become annoying. Also there's a right way to do something, and a wrong way to do something, doesn't matter if your intentions are good if your way of doing it isn't helping.

2: We bring you food, and because it's free food, that can't be annoying. It did start off saying they bring food to parties or get togethers, but just because the author does, doesn't mean every vegan does, much less everybody in general. Also the rest of that number mentioned more than once that the reason they're giving people free food is to show off vegan lifestyle, so it's like there's ulterior motives to them bringing free food, and you can't say anything because it's free.

3: We used to be like you. Can't really see much wrong with this one, except the whole "we're not annoying because we used to be like you" isn't really that good of a reason to not find someone annoying. You can look back on the way you used to be and find the things you used to do annoying, or sometimes cringey.

4: We are cool. Okay, this one is straight up talking about how being a vegan is totally trendy, and it makes you cool. Since it's trendy, you shouldn't find it annoying, especially when this list of celebrities are vegans! Cool story.

5: We get it. Okay, I can understand the general intent of this number. It is annoying when someone's a vegan and a non-vegan boasts to them about how they love meat and that shit. My problem is when it starts off saying "we don't judge you for being a meat eater, and we don't think we're better than you" but then they talk about how they'll go into a lengthy discussion about why they're vegan (I don't have a problem with this part if someone asked), but they'll admit they'll try to convert you to be vegan because they want everyone to be one. They don't realize that people get annoyed at the attempt of conversion.

6. We Have Non-Vegan Friends and Family. Okay, so they're trying to say that they don't live in a vegan only social bubble, which means they're exposed to non-vegans all the time. While I can see where they're going with this, like I mentioned in some of the other points, that doesn't make you immune to being annoying. It's like being a super liberal like a lot of UGer's and they don't live in a super lib social bubble, and they have friends and family who don't share their political opinions, and they can still be annoying about their political agenda.

7. We are Actually Really Amazing at Restaurants. While I really see anything wrong with this, because I know it's not hard to find vegan friendly meals at restaurants, and they are annoyed at the misconception that it's hard for vegans to eat out (when it's not). Though the way some of this is written, it seems like they're bragging a little too much.

8. We Do Not Shout Things at You. Basically this one seems like they're kissing the asses of the vocal protesting vegans, despite saying they can see why people find them annoying, they're still sticking up for that person because they share the same ideology. Even though they supposedly understand why people think they're annoying, you should just get over it, because this is a list about why vegans aren't annoying, so just get over the ones the author acknowledges are annoying.

9. We Spread the Positive Happiness. I'm happy because I'm vegan, and if you're a vegan, you'll be happy. No vegan is ever a grumpy person because they're vegan. Happy people aren't annoying, and vegans are happy, therefore vegans aren't annoying.

10. We Can Take a Punch without Unleashing Drama. Another one that sort of starts out okay, because it is annoying for a vegan for all these people who are ignorant of veganism to tell them some of that shit, and try to convert them out of veganism, but I just really wish there was a less bitchy snarky way to express this, and this is pretty much saying "I'm not annoying, because you're annoying me"

That's pretty much all I got out of that blog.
(07-24-2014, 08:24 PM)Grungie Wrote: [ -> ]Really? Because most of that reads really self-righteous.

Here's my breakdown of each one:

1: We are nice because we care about animals, and because we're nice, you shouldn't be annoyed at us. While I have no problem with the intentions of it, but being nice and standing up for a good cause doesn't make you immune to being obnoxious or annoying. Anything to a degree can become annoying. Also there's a right way to do something, and a wrong way to do something, doesn't matter if your intentions are good if your way of doing it isn't helping.
Of course. But you need to put yourself in the shoes of the typical advocate. To most vegans, animal slaughter is equivalent to murdering a human being (akin to pro-lifers). I would do absolutely anything in my power to stop people from murdering others if I could, so it only makes sense that you'd be annoying for a cause, especially if it's effective in getting people to know about and remember said cause. Sometimes being annoying is necessary, is where I'm getting, provided it's not blaringly immoral/illegal.

It's also true that there is a "right" and "wrong" way of doing something.

(07-24-2014, 08:24 PM)Grungie Wrote: [ -> ]2: We bring you food, and because it's free food, that can't be annoying. It did start off saying they bring food to parties or get togethers, but just because the author does, doesn't mean every vegan does, much less everybody in general. Also the rest of that number mentioned more than once that the reason they're giving people free food is to show off vegan lifestyle, so it's like there's ulterior motives to them bringing free food, and you can't say anything because it's free.
I didn't get that vibe from that point.

(07-24-2014, 08:24 PM)Grungie Wrote: [ -> ]3: We used to be like you. Can't really see much wrong with this one, except the whole "we're not annoying because we used to be like you" isn't really that good of a reason to not find someone annoying. You can look back on the way you used to be and find the things you used to do annoying, or sometimes cringey.
Truth, but obviously not all vegans are annoying. In fact, literally none of the vegans I've come to know come off as annoying Confusedhrug:

(07-24-2014, 08:24 PM)Grungie Wrote: [ -> ]4: We are cool. Okay, this one is straight up talking about how being a vegan is totally trendy, and it makes you cool. Since it's trendy, you shouldn't find it annoying, especially when this list of celebrities are vegans! Cool story.
I agree that that is a non-point, especially considering there's a lot of annoying celebrities, too. Trends also tend to be annoying, by nature.

(07-24-2014, 08:24 PM)Grungie Wrote: [ -> ]5: We get it. Okay, I can understand the general intent of this number. It is annoying when someone's a vegan and a non-vegan boasts to them about how they love meat and that shit. My problem is when it starts off saying "we don't judge you for being a meat eater, and we don't think we're better than you" but then they talk about how they'll go into a lengthy discussion about why they're vegan (I don't have a problem with this part if someone asked), but they'll admit they'll try to convert you to be vegan because they want everyone to be one. They don't realize that people get annoyed at the attempt of conversion.
True. But one ought to expect evangelism when a rant is in order. Like I said, many vegans treat animal slaughter as equivalent to murder. They understandably struggle with having to be polite while following their ethical agenda. I myself am having trouble rationalizing meat-eating from an ethical standpoint and because of it I'm aiming to eventually drop all meat-eating.

(07-24-2014, 08:24 PM)Grungie Wrote: [ -> ]6. We Have Non-Vegan Friends and Family. Okay, so they're trying to say that they don't live in a vegan only social bubble, which means they're exposed to non-vegans all the time. While I can see where they're going with this, like I mentioned in some of the other points, that doesn't make you immune to being annoying. It's like being a super liberal like a lot of UGer's and they don't live in a super lib social bubble, and they have friends and family who don't share their political opinions, and they can still be annoying about their political agenda.
This is absolutely true, but I sort of understand why they would be more annoying than the average type, with the frustration of having nearly nobody around them to agree with. In many ways I'm like that and I'm always afraid of coming off in a way that will push my philosophical opponents away from my beliefs.


(though to be fair, if you're gonna be annoying, at least be educated and open-minded, lol)


(07-24-2014, 08:24 PM)Grungie Wrote: [ -> ]7. We are Actually Really Amazing at Restaurants. While I really see anything wrong with this, because I know it's not hard to find vegan friendly meals at restaurants, and they are annoyed at the misconception that it's hard for vegans to eat out (when it's not). Though the way some of this is written, it seems like they're bragging a little too much.
Yeah, I guess it's a bit braggy, but the point that is being driven home is that, when they aren't asked (or have their blog read by non-vegans), they're not annoying (generally). The thing about a blog is that you don't have to read it. When discussing with someone IRL, you're sort of "trapped" in the discussion.

I'm sure most readers of this blog are vegan or strict vegetarians, anyway.

(07-24-2014, 08:24 PM)Grungie Wrote: [ -> ]8. We Do Not Shout Things at You. Basically this one seems like they're kissing the asses of the vocal protesting vegans, despite saying they can see why people find them annoying, they're still sticking up for that person because they share the same ideology. Even though they supposedly understand why people think they're annoying, you should just get over it, because this is a list about why vegans aren't annoying, so just get over the ones the author acknowledges are annoying.
I don't see anything wrong with that.

(07-24-2014, 08:24 PM)Grungie Wrote: [ -> ]9. We Spread the Positive Happiness. I'm happy because I'm vegan, and if you're a vegan, you'll be happy. No vegan is ever a grumpy person because they're vegan. Happy people aren't annoying, and vegans are happy, therefore vegans aren't annoying.
To be fair, she did say most vegans are positive, not all. Chances are there are many people you know who are vegan and you aren't even aware of it. There's not really any way to know it unless you ask them. The most annoying ones are, as we both know, the ones that stick out the most. For most people, that is the very definition of what is annoying. I don't dislike all liberals, but the typically "loud" and closed-minded liberal is annoying.

(07-24-2014, 08:24 PM)Grungie Wrote: [ -> ]10. We Can Take a Punch without Unleashing Drama. Another one that sort of starts out okay, because it is annoying for a vegan for all these people who are ignorant of veganism to tell them some of that shit, and try to convert them out of veganism, but I just really wish there was a less bitchy snarky way to express this, and this is pretty much saying "I'm not annoying, because you're annoying me"
True, this doesn't prove that vegans aren't annoying. But it's not exactly false. The wording may be a little clumsy or snarky, but it doesn't necessarily invalidate the point.

Long story short, obviously there will be annoying vegans, but this article isn't denying that. The author is speaking for the majority. It's like when people criticize Christians for believing in creationism, denying climate change, bigotry, and the like, when most of those things are generally harmless and all of them apply to the minority. The pope, in contrast, will personally go hang out with the lepers (for lack of a better word) in sub-Saharan Africa to bless them, the Vatican recognizes evolution, and there's an entire section in the magesterium dedicated to environmentalism.

Also, and this is just my two cents, but I'd rather have people speak up, provided they are open to intelligent, civil debate and don't spiral into asshattery like many debaters end up doing (like on UG). But again, that's just me.
(07-24-2014, 10:28 PM)JoelCarli Wrote: [ -> ]Of course. But you need to put yourself in the shoes of the typical advocate. To most vegans, animal slaughter is equivalent to murdering a human being (akin to pro-lifers). I would do absolutely anything in my power to stop people from murdering others if I could, so it only makes sense that you'd be annoying for a cause, especially if it's effective in getting people to know about and remember said cause. Sometimes being annoying is necessary, is where I'm getting, provided it's not blaringly immoral/illegal.

It's also true that there is a "right" and "wrong" way of doing something.

The bolded part is pretty much my whole point, I get your point you're making here, but we're in agreement that there's a wrong way to do something.

Also something I forgot to mention in my breakdown, is that just because you do something nice, doesn't automatically make you a nice person, and being nice doesn't make you exempt from being annoying. Like an extreme case would be that I'm a vegan and an animal rights activist, but I treat my wife and kids like shit at home (too lazy to think of a tame one). So I just read that point as "I did something nice, so that makes me a nice person, and because I did something nice, I can't be annoying."

(07-24-2014, 10:28 PM)JoelCarli Wrote: [ -> ]I didn't get that vibe from that point.
Idk, that's just how I'm reading it, especially when they're emphasizing that they bring YOU food, and because the food is free, it can't be annoying. Also I felt that they had ulterior motives when they mentioned a few times in that paragraph about advertising vegan lifestyle. Also there's been times my family's been given free food (or people brought food over) and it can get annoying sometimes. There's also times when bringing food can also be a bit insulting.

(07-24-2014, 10:28 PM)JoelCarli Wrote: [ -> ]Truth, but obviously not all vegans are annoying. In fact, literally none of the vegans I've come to know come off as annoying Confusedhrug:
I do know not all vegans are annoying, it's just a vocal minority. Though I can say that you're pretty lucky, because I know a good bit of the vocal minorities in real life, and good god do you want to punch them in the face. One guy I know is like Due where he loves using shock tactics to try and scare people away from meat. I could go on about the others, but to keep this short, I know some really shitty vegans irl.


(07-24-2014, 10:28 PM)JoelCarli Wrote: [ -> ]I agree that that is a non-point, especially considering there's a lot of annoying celebrities, too. Trends also tend to be annoying, by nature.
Also the fact that it's mentioned almost made me feel like the author wants us to do this because it's trendy. I don't think it's moral to join a cause just because it's trendy, because you shouldn't be an activist just because you think it makes you look cool.

(07-24-2014, 10:28 PM)JoelCarli Wrote: [ -> ]True. But one ought to expect evangelism when a rant is in order. Like I said, many vegans treat animal slaughter as equivalent to murder. They understandably struggle with having to be polite while following their ethical agenda. I myself am having trouble rationalizing meat-eating from an ethical standpoint and because of it I'm aiming to eventually drop all meat-eating.
Well the thing is that they shouldn't try to turn it into a rant (though I probably shouldn't be talking cuz I rant a lot lel), though I guess if you're really strong into something, it'll eventually turn into a rant, but whatever.

(07-24-2014, 10:28 PM)JoelCarli Wrote: [ -> ]This is absolutely true, but I sort of understand why they would be more annoying than the average type, with the frustration of having nearly nobody around them to agree with. In many ways I'm like that and I'm always afraid of coming off in a way that will push my philosophical opponents away from my beliefs.


(though to be fair, if you're gonna be annoying, at least be educated and open-minded, lol)

Well the author said that she has vegan friends, and how they're a friendly bunch and love sharing recipes with each other, so I don't think she's in a place where she's annoyed because she's not around people who don't share her ideologies.

(07-24-2014, 10:28 PM)JoelCarli Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, I guess it's a bit braggy, but the point that is being driven home is that, when they aren't asked (or have their blog read by non-vegans), they're not annoying (generally). The thing about a blog is that you don't have to read it. When discussing with someone IRL, you're sort of "trapped" in the discussion.

I'm sure most readers of this blog are vegan or strict vegetarians, anyway.
I think we're talking about a different point here, as what you're saying applies more to #5


(07-24-2014, 10:28 PM)JoelCarli Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see anything wrong with that.

Personally, if I find someone being really in your face and vocal about shit, and they're being a annoying, I'm not going to defend that person and call them amazing even when we share the same ideology. Sure they have a point and I agree with it, but I'm not going to defend someone who's being an asshat.


(07-24-2014, 10:28 PM)JoelCarli Wrote: [ -> ]To be fair, she did say most vegans are positive, not all. Chances are there are many people you know who are vegan and you aren't even aware of it. There's not really any way to know it unless you ask them. The most annoying ones are, as we both know, the ones that stick out the most. For most people, that is the very definition of what is annoying. I don't dislike all liberals, but the typically "loud" and closed-minded liberal is annoying.
Well I don't have a problem with vegans and I wouldn't change my opinion over someone if I found out, the mere fact that they weren't an ass about it, is all I care about.

(07-24-2014, 10:28 PM)JoelCarli Wrote: [ -> ]True, this doesn't prove that vegans aren't annoying. But it's not exactly false. The wording may be a little clumsy or snarky, but it doesn't necessarily invalidate the point.
I wasn't invalidating what she said, I just wished there was a less obnoxious way of presenting the information.

(07-24-2014, 10:28 PM)JoelCarli Wrote: [ -> ]Long story short, obviously there will be annoying vegans, but this article isn't denying that. The author is speaking for the majority. It's like when people criticize Christians for believing in creationism, denying climate change, bigotry, and the like, when most of those things are generally harmless and all of them apply to the minority. The pope, in contrast, will personally go hang out with the lepers (for lack of a better word) in sub-Saharan Africa to bless them, the Vatican recognizes evolution, and there's an entire section in the magesterium dedicated to environmentalism.

Also, and this is just my two cents, but I'd rather have people speak up, provided they are open to intelligent, civil debate and don't spiral into asshattery like many debaters end up doing (like on UG). But again, that's just me.

I don't have a problem with the author trying to stick up for the non-vocal majority, but I like I acknowledged in the breakdown, and in this response, the author has points, but I wish she would make it less obnoxious. When you're trying to defend your practice, and repeatedly kiss your own ass by saying how you're an awesome person, and what you're doing is hip and trendy, I don't think it did much to help their cause.
(07-24-2014, 11:17 PM)Grungie Wrote: [ -> ]Also something I forgot to mention in my breakdown, is that just because you do something nice, doesn't automatically make you a nice person, and being nice doesn't make you exempt from being annoying. Like an extreme case would be that I'm a vegan and an animal rights activist, but I treat my wife and kids like shit at home (too lazy to think of a tame one). So I just read that point as "I did something nice, so that makes me a nice person, and because I did something nice, I can't be annoying."
Oh, definitely. I'm going to invoke Godwin's law by mentioning that Hitler was a vegetarian.

This is also why IMO, John Lennon is a bit of a knob. He is seen as this inspirational peace advocate, but IRL he got into fist fights all the time and was generally obnoxious.

(07-24-2014, 11:17 PM)Grungie Wrote: [ -> ]Idk, that's just how I'm reading it, especially when they're emphasizing that they bring YOU food, and because the food is free, it can't be annoying. Also I felt that they had ulterior motives when they mentioned a few times in that paragraph about advertising vegan lifestyle. Also there's been times my family's been given free food (or people brought food over) and it can get annoying sometimes. There's also times when bringing food can also be a bit insulting.
Fair enough.

(07-24-2014, 11:17 PM)Grungie Wrote: [ -> ]I do know not all vegans are annoying, it's just a vocal minority. Though I can say that you're pretty lucky, because I know a good bit of the vocal minorities in real life, and good god do you want to punch them in the face. One guy I know is like Due where he loves using shock tactics to try and scare people away from meat. I could go on about the others, but to keep this short, I know some really shitty vegans irl.
No, I know. Of course, if there's anything I can learn from your posts here is that you tend to come across many... special people :haha:

(07-24-2014, 11:17 PM)Grungie Wrote: [ -> ]Also the fact that it's mentioned almost made me feel like the author wants us to do this because it's trendy. I don't think it's moral to join a cause just because it's trendy, because you shouldn't be an activist just because you think it makes you look cool.
Definitely agree with you here. 100% with you on this one.

(07-24-2014, 11:17 PM)Grungie Wrote: [ -> ]Well the thing is that they shouldn't try to turn it into a rant (though I probably shouldn't be talking cuz I rant a lot lel), though I guess if you're really strong into something, it'll eventually turn into a rant, but whatever.
Of course. Then again, if you ask for them to discuss their ideas (which is sometimes more refreshing than talking about something mundane), they will rant.

In this respect, I see vegans as Jehovah's Witnesses. The whole joke is that JW's are annoying solicitors that nobody wants to hear about, but I'm legitimately interested in learning about various religions, even if I have no intention of converting, but that's just me.

The other thing is that many people convert to something after they have been convinced to change. I'm sure people who have "converted" to veganism believe it was for the best, and that hearing about veganism in detail in the first place was an eventful... event. 'Tis a dilemma.

(07-24-2014, 11:17 PM)Grungie Wrote: [ -> ]Well the author said that she has vegan friends, and how they're a friendly bunch and love sharing recipes with each other, so I don't think she's in a place where she's annoyed because she's not around people who don't share her ideologies.
If he 5th point is to trust, she is aware of the annoying meat-eaters and has carnivorous friends Confusedhrug:

(07-24-2014, 11:17 PM)Grungie Wrote: [ -> ]I think we're talking about a different point here, as what you're saying applies more to #5
Ok, then it's just a little braggy.

(07-24-2014, 11:17 PM)Grungie Wrote: [ -> ]Personally, if I find someone being really in your face and vocal about shit, and they're being a annoying, I'm not going to defend that person and call them amazing even when we share the same ideology. Sure they have a point and I agree with it, but I'm not going to defend someone who's being an asshat.
Well there are appropriate times to be "in your face". When you first meet someone, for example, I agree is a bad time.

(07-24-2014, 11:17 PM)Grungie Wrote: [ -> ]Well I don't have a problem with vegans and I wouldn't change my opinion over someone if I found out, the mere fact that they weren't an ass about it, is all I care about.
Fair enough. I think most people would agree with you.

(07-24-2014, 11:17 PM)Grungie Wrote: [ -> ]I wasn't invalidating what she said, I just wished there was a less obnoxious way of presenting the information.
Alright.

(07-24-2014, 11:17 PM)Grungie Wrote: [ -> ]I don't have a problem with the author trying to stick up for the non-vocal majority, but I like I acknowledged in the breakdown, and in this response, the author has points, but I wish she would make it less obnoxious. When you're trying to defend your practice, and repeatedly kiss your own ass by saying how you're an awesome person, and what you're doing is hip and trendy, I don't think it did much to help their cause.
Alright, makes sense. This article didn't really bother me, personally, that much, but different strokes for different folks, I guess.